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T O P I C R E V I E WbananazI've been so confused about the rising sign, and I know a lot of you are also confused because there are many threads that debate the actual meaning (ex: Is it a mask?) Anyway, I read something on astrolada's FB page that makes so much sense! She equates the ASC as your earth sign. Earth is where we live. It's the physical, therefore our ASC is our physical reality. I don't know if this will help anyone, but for me, I struggled to understand the ASC and I feel like I FINALLY have a grasp on it's placement in the birth chart bananazBTW this was her article:QUOTE:____________________________________________________What is the Ascendant Sign in Your Horoscope?The Rising Sign is your Planet Earth Sign!!!Did you know that the Ascendant sign the most personal one! And yes, it is not the same as your Sun sign.The Sun sign, is the one everyone knows-it shows the position of the Sun at time of your birth-if you are born in April your Sun is either in Aries or Taurus etc.The Ascendant is the actually the zodiac sign of the Earth!! We do live on Earth, after all! This is the zodiac sign which rises on the Eastern Horizon the minute we are born! The sign which rises on the Eastern horizon changes once every 1-2 hours, because of the rotation of our Earth on its Axis. So the Ascendant sign the fastest changing one, while the Sun sign changes once a month, the Moon sign changes every 2-3 days, the Ascendant sign changes 12 times a day!!The Ascendant signs shows the most impermanent side of life-the material and physical side of the person/even/objects, (yes even an event will have its own Ascendant sign).The Ascendant sign is your physical body-the first thing you identify with! It represents your Gaia sign, from which the atoms and materials for your body are taken.For example someone with a fire sign Ascendant, will usually have hotter temperature of the body, more muscle, more energy and vitality-very fire like, while someone with an Earth sign Ascendant will have--you got it..a more solid, earthy, sensual body shape, usually more endurance too. Just giving you some simple examples to see how it works.Because the Ascendant is our body and also our Earthly reality it also marks the start of the zodiac! It does make sense! If we did not have the material body, we would not have an Earthly experience, and no horoscope, after all! That is the reason astrologers always look at your transits in regards to your ascendant sign-your physical body and what tangibly happens to it, while you are walking this earthly journey(the Ascendant)!The your Sun and Moon and the other planets are also defined according to their position in regards to the Ascendant sign! Because the other "planets" become part of your consciousness, but they are dependant on their manifestation on the body(Rising sign).The houses( the other signs counted from your Ascendant) indicate specific areas of manifestation in life. 2nd=resources and provisions, money, 3rd sign from Ascendant-early childhood, how we communicate, syblings, teammates, 4th from Ascendant=mother, extended family, home, property, etc. For example if your Ascendant is in Leo, your Sun is in Virgo, then your Sun will be in the 2nd sign from Leo, then we say your Sun is in the 2nd house, so your Solar qualities of consciousness(action, shining a light, success, achievements) will manifest in reality through the 2nd house-material, financial goals and achievements.The aspects of the other planets towards the Ascendant-their positional relationship to it, show how easily or not easily you can manifest their energy on your path in life! For example: Venus-the planet of love, being in the 6th sign from Ascendant, which is a less harmonious angle of connection, shows that the person will have problems manifesting love-they might be more critical towards themselves, have poorer self worth(Venus) and have to try harder to connect to this planet, hence its positive results(happy relationships) can be delayed in this person's life. Even if this Venus is in the 5th house of dating(unequal house system), but falls in the 6th sign from ascendant(whole sign house system, the person (Ascendant) will find it challenging to manifest love(Venus) smoothly.So never underestimate the importance of your Ascendant sign-it is your Earth/Gaia, sign! It is the path you are walking on and the energy you have to learn to express all your talents through, because this is your point of materialisation. If you have a Air Sign Ascendant(Gemini, Libra or Aqua), for example, no matter how many planets in earth signs you might have(dealing with practical, material issues) you will have to learn to express and make these happen in an intellectual way-which is the air element, or through some kind of a verbal media.Your express the mission of your Sun(to shine, to create, to achieve), through the medium of your Ascendant sign and its qualities. An gentle Pisces Sun person, who has a mission to explore and teach kindness, soulfulness, compassion, but who also has a Leo Ascendant, will do it in a roaring way! With Pomp and flash, through inspiring respect and being generous like the Lion, but they will still express their Pisces Sun and mission.DaniPepper87If you study Kaballah, you'll end up with this kind of thought. ASC is the end of spiritual journey to earth, and then start the juorney to return to spiritual world mercuraniani love Astrolada!bananaz@DaniPepper87 that's beautiful @mercuranian me too! saggyscorpThank you for posting this! I've struggled with grasping the meaning of the ASC as well, and this helps a lot! Kannon McAfeeActually the IC is the 'earth point' which is indicated by the line of the MC which runs straight down through the center of the earth. This locates 'earth' directly below - or +/- 90 degrees from horizontal.The Rising Sign is a general mode, the modus operandi of the body/personality of the human being in this lifetime. When people refer to it as merely a mask, they are leaving out the biological wrapping as more than just a costume. It is chosen as appropriate for your life and aims. It is your hard wiring, equipment hooking up your soul to what may best serve you as you grow and become.So I don't favor the notion of rising sign as a 'mask.' This suggests it is a front someone is putting on. Anyone can write or speculate regarding astrological factors, but when removed from our geophysical reality, they are often bunk.------------------Astrology & natural medicine blog:3D full sky astrology with declinationsComplete Rising Sign descriptionsEmGemSo agree re the mask thing Kannon. It never gells with me when people say "it's just a mask"BS!It's so much more, people underestimate the importance of the ASC. It is such a huge part of us. My question is: the difference between Vedic and western ASCs. Do you chime more with one than the other? Because at times I feel more like my Vedic ASC and moon for that matter. bananazI used to think of it as a mask. Even when people would describe it kinda SOUNDED like an outward energy. Very mask-like, if that makes sense. But I understand the ASC has its place. It's essentially the infrastructure of our lives. If you think of yourself being born under the sign of your ASC, it's pretty much who you are. Possibly more important than SUN & MOON imo. When you follow horoscopes, it's usually best to read your ASC sign because the houses are aligned with that sign, right? So it def plays its part.Anyway...My trouble is that if I'd been born 4 minutes earlier, I would have a different ASC and I still can't figure out which one rings true for me. I wonder if it's possible for people on the cusp to show qualities of both signs. IdkLotis White quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:Actually the IC is the 'earth point' which is indicated by the line of the MC which runs straight down through the center of the earth. This locates 'earth' directly below - or +/- 90 degrees from horizontal.The Rising Sign is a general mode, the modus operandi of the body/personality of the human being in this lifetime. When people refer to it as merely a mask, they are leaving out the biological wrapping as more than just a costume. It is chosen as appropriate for your life and aims. It is your hard wiring, equipment hooking up your soul to what may best serve you as you grow and become.So I don't favor the notion of rising sign as a 'mask.' This suggests it is a front someone is putting on. Anyone can write or speculate regarding astrological factors, but when removed from our geophysical reality, they are often bunk.The Asc, Dsc, Mc, and Ic are all calculations based on the Earth itself. So I guess they all refer to the physical reality of these 4 aspects of our lives. They are all our Earth signs.The Asc is the Eastern horizon from our place of birth (the physical reality of ourselves). The Dsc is the Western horizon from our place of birth (the physical reality of our partner). Of course, psychological characteristics are described here as well. I do agree though that the Asc being based on Earth's Eastern horizon does give meaning to the Asc representing our physical reality. What people see, hear, and touch, when they relate to us. foxxyxoi believe the ASC is your life...whichever sign falls on your asc thats how your life will play out and itll give u hints of what kind of issues youll be dealing with and what gifts you have in this lifetime....i have a 0 degree aries asc so my life has been full of struggles, overcoming those struggles, fighting with authority, legal issues, love issues, being great at sports and anything athletic, and my mars is in sag so i have already traveled and lived in several places and im only 23. i have a cap sun so im an ambitious aries and i have a libra loon so i can be a very nice and sweet aries. the more feminine type of aries. i vote that asc is most important/.....i have a friend who has libra rising with pluto in first house and his life is filled with relationship problems, lying, self esteem issues and loss but he sure is freaking beautifulikja quote:Originally posted by mercuranian:i love Astrolada!Astrolada is one of my favs xbananaz@foxxyxo i have a 0 degree aries asc as well! Part of me doubts it though and thinks the hospital was 4 minutes off and I really have a pisces asc. My sun and 3 other planets are in pisces so that could be the energy Im feeling.
QUOTE:____________________________________________________What is the Ascendant Sign in Your Horoscope?The Rising Sign is your Planet Earth Sign!!!Did you know that the Ascendant sign the most personal one! And yes, it is not the same as your Sun sign.The Sun sign, is the one everyone knows-it shows the position of the Sun at time of your birth-if you are born in April your Sun is either in Aries or Taurus etc.The Ascendant is the actually the zodiac sign of the Earth!! We do live on Earth, after all! This is the zodiac sign which rises on the Eastern Horizon the minute we are born! The sign which rises on the Eastern horizon changes once every 1-2 hours, because of the rotation of our Earth on its Axis. So the Ascendant sign the fastest changing one, while the Sun sign changes once a month, the Moon sign changes every 2-3 days, the Ascendant sign changes 12 times a day!!The Ascendant signs shows the most impermanent side of life-the material and physical side of the person/even/objects, (yes even an event will have its own Ascendant sign).The Ascendant sign is your physical body-the first thing you identify with! It represents your Gaia sign, from which the atoms and materials for your body are taken.For example someone with a fire sign Ascendant, will usually have hotter temperature of the body, more muscle, more energy and vitality-very fire like, while someone with an Earth sign Ascendant will have--you got it..a more solid, earthy, sensual body shape, usually more endurance too. Just giving you some simple examples to see how it works.Because the Ascendant is our body and also our Earthly reality it also marks the start of the zodiac! It does make sense! If we did not have the material body, we would not have an Earthly experience, and no horoscope, after all! That is the reason astrologers always look at your transits in regards to your ascendant sign-your physical body and what tangibly happens to it, while you are walking this earthly journey(the Ascendant)!The your Sun and Moon and the other planets are also defined according to their position in regards to the Ascendant sign! Because the other "planets" become part of your consciousness, but they are dependant on their manifestation on the body(Rising sign).The houses( the other signs counted from your Ascendant) indicate specific areas of manifestation in life. 2nd=resources and provisions, money, 3rd sign from Ascendant-early childhood, how we communicate, syblings, teammates, 4th from Ascendant=mother, extended family, home, property, etc. For example if your Ascendant is in Leo, your Sun is in Virgo, then your Sun will be in the 2nd sign from Leo, then we say your Sun is in the 2nd house, so your Solar qualities of consciousness(action, shining a light, success, achievements) will manifest in reality through the 2nd house-material, financial goals and achievements.The aspects of the other planets towards the Ascendant-their positional relationship to it, show how easily or not easily you can manifest their energy on your path in life! For example: Venus-the planet of love, being in the 6th sign from Ascendant, which is a less harmonious angle of connection, shows that the person will have problems manifesting love-they might be more critical towards themselves, have poorer self worth(Venus) and have to try harder to connect to this planet, hence its positive results(happy relationships) can be delayed in this person's life. Even if this Venus is in the 5th house of dating(unequal house system), but falls in the 6th sign from ascendant(whole sign house system, the person (Ascendant) will find it challenging to manifest love(Venus) smoothly.So never underestimate the importance of your Ascendant sign-it is your Earth/Gaia, sign! It is the path you are walking on and the energy you have to learn to express all your talents through, because this is your point of materialisation. If you have a Air Sign Ascendant(Gemini, Libra or Aqua), for example, no matter how many planets in earth signs you might have(dealing with practical, material issues) you will have to learn to express and make these happen in an intellectual way-which is the air element, or through some kind of a verbal media.Your express the mission of your Sun(to shine, to create, to achieve), through the medium of your Ascendant sign and its qualities. An gentle Pisces Sun person, who has a mission to explore and teach kindness, soulfulness, compassion, but who also has a Leo Ascendant, will do it in a roaring way! With Pomp and flash, through inspiring respect and being generous like the Lion, but they will still express their Pisces Sun and mission.
@mercuranian me too!
The Rising Sign is a general mode, the modus operandi of the body/personality of the human being in this lifetime. When people refer to it as merely a mask, they are leaving out the biological wrapping as more than just a costume. It is chosen as appropriate for your life and aims. It is your hard wiring, equipment hooking up your soul to what may best serve you as you grow and become.
So I don't favor the notion of rising sign as a 'mask.' This suggests it is a front someone is putting on.
Anyone can write or speculate regarding astrological factors, but when removed from our geophysical reality, they are often bunk.
------------------Astrology & natural medicine blog:3D full sky astrology with declinationsComplete Rising Sign descriptions
My question is: the difference between Vedic and western ASCs. Do you chime more with one than the other? Because at times I feel more like my Vedic ASC and moon for that matter.
But I understand the ASC has its place. It's essentially the infrastructure of our lives. If you think of yourself being born under the sign of your ASC, it's pretty much who you are. Possibly more important than SUN & MOON imo. When you follow horoscopes, it's usually best to read your ASC sign because the houses are aligned with that sign, right? So it def plays its part.
Anyway...
My trouble is that if I'd been born 4 minutes earlier, I would have a different ASC and I still can't figure out which one rings true for me. I wonder if it's possible for people on the cusp to show qualities of both signs. Idk
quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:Actually the IC is the 'earth point' which is indicated by the line of the MC which runs straight down through the center of the earth. This locates 'earth' directly below - or +/- 90 degrees from horizontal.The Rising Sign is a general mode, the modus operandi of the body/personality of the human being in this lifetime. When people refer to it as merely a mask, they are leaving out the biological wrapping as more than just a costume. It is chosen as appropriate for your life and aims. It is your hard wiring, equipment hooking up your soul to what may best serve you as you grow and become.So I don't favor the notion of rising sign as a 'mask.' This suggests it is a front someone is putting on. Anyone can write or speculate regarding astrological factors, but when removed from our geophysical reality, they are often bunk.
The Asc, Dsc, Mc, and Ic are all calculations based on the Earth itself. So I guess they all refer to the physical reality of these 4 aspects of our lives. They are all our Earth signs.
The Asc is the Eastern horizon from our place of birth (the physical reality of ourselves). The Dsc is the Western horizon from our place of birth (the physical reality of our partner). Of course, psychological characteristics are described here as well. I do agree though that the Asc being based on Earth's Eastern horizon does give meaning to the Asc representing our physical reality. What people see, hear, and touch, when they relate to us.
quote:Originally posted by mercuranian:i love Astrolada!
Astrolada is one of my favs x
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